The Remote Worker’s Guide to Finding Connection, Community, and Spiritual Growth With Kai-Lee Worsley

Are you a remote worker or digital nomad feeling invisible, craving a true support system and real community building so that your spiritual growth doesn’t stall in your entrepreneurship journey? 🌿

In this episode of The Remote CEO Life, I chat with Kai‑Lee Worsley, a CEO, international author and founder of True Alchemy Academy, about how remote workers and digital nomads can lean into community building, create a strong support system and embrace spiritual growth as part of their business. We explore what happens when your life isn’t only about work but also about connection, purpose and deep growth as a woman in business.

Here’s what we discussed:

- How remote workers and digital nomads often miss out on a support system and how community building gives them that safety net.
- Why spiritual growth must be part of your journey when you’re a remote worker or digital nomad - it’s not optional.
- Practical steps for community building for remote workers and digital nomads: what Kai‑Lee did to bring people together.
- How to use your business as a platform for spiritual growth and community building rather than just revenue.
- Building your support system, embracing your identity as a digital nomad or remote worker, and making spiritual growth a business asset.

If you’re a remote worker or digital nomad looking to build real connections, develop a lifelong support system and infuse spiritual growth into your business, this episode will guide you to the community-building mindset that transforms everything. Hit play to start building your community now.

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Check out Kai‑Lee’s website: truealchemyacademy.com

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Background
• 7:06 Cultural Differences in Community and Connection
• 12:54 Building True Alchemy Academy
• 18:34 The Role of Ancient Wisdom in Modern Life
• 23:55 Personal Growth and Spiritual Practices
• 24:20 The Journey of Self-Development
• 25:20 Digital Nomadism and Spiritual Growth
• 26:06 Entrepreneurship as a Spiritual Path
• 28:36 The Unique Challenges of Digital Nomads
• 30:37 Finding Community in Nomadic Life
• 33:43 Building a Supportive Community
• 36:38 The Importance of Play and Freedom

Transcript

Sophie Biggerstaff (00:00)
What if the great success in your business isn't the revenue, but the community you build around it? Today we're talking about community building on the Remote CEO Life podcast with my guest, Kai-lee Walsley, a 27 year old CEO, international author and founder of the Ancient Wisdom Academy, a soulful space, creative digital nomads and remote workers.

craving more meaning, connection and freedom. After running a successful social media agency, Kai-lee followed her inner calling to create something deeper, a community where people can gather, grow and reconnect with ancient wisdom in a modern world. For her, building a business has never been just about the clients or the cash flow, it's about creating a home for healing, laughter, learning and real relationships. In this episode, we dive into how Kai-lee built her community led academy.

why spiritual growth and connection matters in entrepreneurship and how you can weave more purpose and presence into your remote CEO life. So let's dive in to the episode.

Sophie (00:52)
Hey, Kai-lee welcome to Remote CO Life podcast. How you doing? I'm good, thanks. And you're calling in from Athens, Greece, which is super, super cool. And you're very hot over there right now because it's the middle of summer.

Kai-Lee Worsley (00:55)
Good, how are you doing?

Yeah, middle of summer, we're all sweaty, we're all like crispy, we're all hot in the house, up at the house, you know, there's like no escaping the inferno.

Sophie (01:11)
you

Wow, wow, I mean, at least you've got good food there, so you can't complain too much. But I know how hot it can get in Europe summer. I mean, I live in a tropical island, so I understand heat. But I know that Europe summer is like next level. So I feel your pain if you're not in AC.

Kai-Lee Worsley (01:20)
Yes.

Yeah, I didn't even

know like, the world could get this warm because I'm from Canada originally. And so I'm used to like it being minus 40. And I'm like, okay. It's cold. But now I'm like, it's plus 42 today. And I'm like, this is worse.

Sophie (01:35)
Yeah.

wow.

Quite the contrast, quite the contrast.

Wow. Well, I'd love to know a bit about you, a little bit about your background, how you ended up in Athens, Greece. Tell us a little bit about your kind of journey to get to where you are today.

Kai-Lee Worsley (01:57)
Yeah, it's a kind of an interesting journey. So I first started off, honestly, it probably started about 10 years ago. I really wanted to be a model and I was like chasing fame as a young 17 year old girl still in high school. So I did a lot of modeling. I toured around, you know, the major cities, LA, New York, in my city, I did some modeling, other cities around Canada. Then I decided I didn't want to be.

I didn't want to feel like a coat hanger, so I moved into doing photography. From there, I took a business training school course. Then I went into business. I understood the complexities of it. Then in about 2019, I went to a Vipassana meditation course. Have you ever done it? Yeah, it's so intense, right? 100 hours, 10 hours a day, 10 days, you're just sitting in silence.

Sophie (02:44)
Yes, yes I have. Yeah, a couple of years ago. Yeah.

Kai-Lee Worsley (02:50)
and it really catapulted my remote life. So I sold everything I owned. I moved to a little town in Mexico. I was the only foreigner. I had known the family for quite a while. I took Spanish in school, so I was really like using my second language every day. And I really wanted to make money online. And this was in 2019, so it wasn't like a huge thing yet.

Sophie (02:51)
Yeah.

Kai-Lee Worsley (03:16)
So I was working really hard trying to figure out like what I could do. I was like making calls and emails and it was going. Then one day on the beach, I was like, I'm not gonna impact the world if I just lay on the beach all day. Like this is just, can't, what am I gonna do for the world? So being so young and so bold, I literally was like, okay, I'm gonna make a change. I moved to Toronto with a backpack, like one backpack and a yoga mat.

I had an apartment, it didn't have anything in it. No stove, no fridge, obviously no furniture, nothing. I lived there for a bit. I slowly got stuff in my apartment. It was given to me actually by family moving to Columbia, so they were really kind. I was writing for a company out of New York, like just trying to still like live this remote life. Then I had a dream in November when my grandpa, who's actually Greek,

came to my dream and basically told me I had to leave. He passed away when I was 12. So he came to my dream, he said, you have to go back home. And I was like, okay. So I listened, gave all my stuff away to a family who had just moved from Mexico. It was like a nice loop. Went home, didn't know what else to do with my life because the dream was so cryptic. And I was like, okay, I'm just here. Then the pandemic hit. And I was like, cool. So now I just get to stay home all day.

and no one expects me to do anything. I was like, okay, still in alignment of what I wanted. And then one day a friend of mine said, hey, my mother-in-law would like someone to run her social media. Do think you could do it? I was like, absolutely. So I took this ball. built, it was only like a five figure yearly business. I think I hit six at one year.

And I ran with it. I ran. was like, I can totally do this. It's all my skills. Modeling, photography, copywriting, everything. So then I was like, okay, what else can I do? And I was feeling, I was living in my city. I had my own apartment. It was furnished. I had everything I wanted. I felt like I was really on top of the world, but I was kind of lonely. And I don't know if it's like this where you're also from, but in Edmonton where I'm from in Canada, it...

Greece is different. Like Greece has like a, people hang out with each other. People sit for coffee for five hours. People go out with their friends. They have big friend groups. Like they're so close and I didn't have that in Edmonton. And so I decided to come here for the first time. I fell in love. Like I felt so close to my grandpa. I felt so close to my roots. I realized I wanted to learn Greek. And so I moved here like four months later.

I've been here for two years and since then I've started another business and I've written four books, four fiction books. And it's like, it's such a beautiful place because people value community here. They value like quality time, which is something I really didn't know I needed, but I really, really needed in my life. So this is how it evolved from like...

really trying to be famous to like realizing that I wanted to impact the world to being lonely to wanting to be part of a community.

Sophie (06:22)
Wow, that's quite a journey, isn't it? Like going through so many different promotions and that's all in your early 20s, I presume, because I believe you're like in your later 20s now.

Kai-Lee Worsley (06:30)
Yeah, I'm 20.

Yes, I'm 28 next month. So the start of my 17. Yeah.

Sophie (06:34)
Okay, amazing.

Exactly. So you've had like a full on full on entrepreneurship career like already in your early 20s, which is, is super cool. And I completely resonate with what you're saying around, not just Greece, but like I would say most of Southern Europe countries have a completely different culture to the UK, Canada, where because because of the weather, I would say influences it quite a lot. And obviously, like culture.

Kai-Lee Worsley (06:40)
You

Sophie (06:58)
They're really connected, right? They're really connected to each other. They are so much more social. You go out in the evenings, everyone's like meeting their friends, their family, like their colleagues. Like it's so much more social and not in a way of like in the UK, for example, drinking is such a big culture and people connect over drinking. They go to the pub and it might be like after work drinks, but then they get like paralytic drunk and it's like a whole, whole spiral that if you go to work in in the morning and, but in, in Spain, in Greece, in Portugal,

It's like people just want to be social. It's not necessarily about the drinks, not necessarily about the food. It's like, yeah, that's the resource that you've got to bring yourself together. But actually it's about the connection with the people. And I think that's a completely different culture. I see it as well, like I now live in Asia and I see it here as well. Like there's such a big culture of like connection. And I think in countries where it's colder,

I have a theory that it's like so much harder for people to do that because it's easier to connect when you're outside in nature, like sitting outside in, I used to live in Italy when I was younger, like sitting outside in a piazza with an afro spritz. Like you've got a way of like connecting with people rather than having to invite everybody inside into this like freezing cold house or pub or something. I don't know, it just feels like there's so much more opportunity for people to connect when they're outside. I don't know if there's like any...

Kai-Lee Worsley (07:51)
Mm-hmm.

Sophie (08:18)
science around that, like any research been done that there's like a direct correlation between those two things, but for me that's what I've observed.

Kai-Lee Worsley (08:23)
I don't know, maybe being in nature

is like a dopamine boost, you know what I mean? Maybe.

Sophie (08:28)
Yeah, exactly. Like

that's just my observation. So I completely resonate with that. it is, think community is really important. And again, I think it can be very difficult to build those when everyone's in a, naturally in a colder country, people are a little bit more miserable as well. Like the spirit isn't always as high as it is in a warmer country. So I think there's lots of factors play into that, but I completely resonate with that, with that, with that point. And I know that you've

gone on to build your second business, is more focused around community. So do want to tell us a little bit about that and where you're at today with that?

Kai-Lee Worsley (09:01)
Yeah.

So I built this business mainly because of community. Mainly because, okay, I want to say there are three points to it for community building. The second one is because I really believe if we all have a strong foundation of a spiritual practice, we can all change the world if we help ourselves. It's not me forcing you to believe what I believe. It's me showing you to think your own thoughts and go on your own path.

And the third one is that I really think remote workers and digital nomads will change the world. And they already are. I really like, I truly believe that they are spectacular leaders in this new age of what we consider work, what we consider community now, and what we consider even like immigrating. You know what I mean? Like we're really changing the structure of reality. So I started this business.

It's such a weird story. I went to a women's festival three years ago and at the time I was microdosing mushrooms because I had read a study that it was helpful for brains who have been through so much trauma and because my childhood was very, very traumatic, I was like, okay, I'll just give it a shot. I had never done breath work and I show up also microdosing and like,

What like now I look back and I'm like dude, you should have googled like what breath work was so I do this very extremely intense breath work session I'm laying on the ground like crying my eyes out obviously as you do and a bird flies over me and it brings me like an entire vision of the Hawthorne temple and I'm not sure if you've been to Egypt before But the Hawthorne temple is just north

I believe north of Luxor. And it's the temple, it's a feminine temple for the goddess Hothor, obviously, Hothor temple. And it's built in such a way that when I visited the first time, I like literally felt the energy and I could feel myself in a past life there. And as this bird flew over me, it brought the vision and I realized I had to build something for ancient wisdom in the modern world.

I just knew that I had to bring it back somehow in a way that wasn't forceful, first of all, because I don't enjoy beliefs being forced upon people. And second, in a way that the modern person could easily grasp ancient concepts. So I built this online. I built Trialchemy Academy.

Sophie (11:37)
Super cool. And so what exactly is True Alchemy Academy?

Kai-Lee Worsley (11:41)
It's an online academy. So it has three parts to it, technically four. So the first part is an online academy, which I'm beta launching right now. I'm seeing how people are interacting with the platform. I'm seeing if I need to maybe move the platform to something more community driven. It's a place where all the tools for spirituality are in one place. So yoga, meditation, breath work, guided affirmations, how to write your own affirmations, muscle testing.

Like literally, there's a library with dreams and how to induce dreams and like ancient mystery school things, herbs, so many different aspects. Working with the chakras, awakening your psychic abilities, they're, it's all in one, it's all inclusive. And I geared it for remote workers and digital nomads who have the time to do it. It's definitely a more feminine platform right now. Like I definitely see like women

25 to like 34 thriving on it So that's one part the second part is online course collaborations So because I'm not an expert in everything though. I wish I had like a thousand more years to live so I could become one I partnered with experts in their respected fields to co-create small low-ticket low-price courses, so each course is $99 and they focus on certain expert fields so sound healing

how to breathe properly, self-devotion and techniques on how to fully love yourself, cycle-syncing and food for the feminine body, true nourishment, lymphatic drainage, embodiment. These are all different topics, all different courses with all different people from around the world. So I wanted a mix of culture, a mix of perspective so that people aren't just getting, first of all, me and my limited.

capacity to teach sacred knowledge and I wanted to invite other people to a platform where they could really put themselves out there. So that's the second part. The third part is retreats. So I host retreats here in Greece twice a year, usually in May and September when it's not like excruciatingly hot or chilly, like the water is great, the sun is out. And we, on these retreats, we connect and we rest.

and we work with the chakra energy. So the point of the retreat is to first of all come in community because as remote workers, sometimes we're like, okay, I love working from home, but I would also love like a break, but like with people who think the same as me. So the retreats are a great way to do that. I facilitate rest because we like forget to chill out. like.

We're not like stargazing anymore. Like we've forgotten how to just like simply be. And then we work with the energy of the chakras because they're like little antennas for us to speak with God, with the creator, with, you know, everything around us. So that's the third part. And the fourth part is classes on the rooftop here in Athens, which is for people who, expats, digital nomads who've come in and out of Athens, it's a nice way for us to connect. It's a nice way also for me to...

see what people really need, understand remote workers even more, and hang out with people.

Sophie (14:58)
Amazing, it's a really good way to build a community of very like-minded people because it's within quite a specific niche. How did you first kind of discover your relationship with ancient wisdom and the spiritual world?

Kai-Lee Worsley (15:11)
Um, well, I was obsessed with like certain things as a kid. I was like obsessed with ancient Greece and mythology and ancient Egypt. I was obsessed with them. Like, you know, when you're a kid and you have these like really weird interests, those two were mine along with dinosaurs and the Titanic. So these are like my niche weird facts. Like you would be like, oh, what's this? I'd be like, oh, it's blah, blah, blah. So this is kind of where like the awakening

happen. also like, it's so strange when I could see spirits as a kid and I know everyone's like they don't exist but they do and I could see them as a kid and then like slowly these like other gifts started like showing up in my life and I really tried to like run away from them obviously because I'm not trying to wake up and see a spirit beside me like it's kind of creepy but okay I've accepted my fate and when you accept your fate you kind of just like allow more and more of it to come in.

And so this is how it happened. It also was something for me to lean on when I was going through things in my childhood that were like horrific and really traumatizing. I would lean into my understanding of God. wasn't like a...

outlined. I don't want to bring the word religion into it, but like I there's no other way for me to help people understand what I'm talking about. But I never leaned into God in a religious way. It was more of like my understanding and sitting with the trees and like hearing what they had to say or like watching butterflies flap their wings, like just being in nature, leaning into that strength of like the unseen really helped me develop this relationship.

like what ancients used to speak about because there's so much of this and we've forgotten. We don't even talk about it anymore.

Sophie (16:57)
Yeah.

No, it's true. all of the, if you think about like Eastern medicine, even like all of that has been passed through centuries to century to century, but then we got westernized. Everything got westernized and we're suddenly now pumping antibiotics for everything when actually there's a natural solution to most of these things. Before there were ever drugs, there were natural solutions. And it's like,

Same with all of the practices that you've spoken to from the now deemed spiritual. Well, actually, they're all just part of our ancestry, our history in different areas of the world that's just kind of got lost along the way or misinterpreted along the way. So I think that's great that you're trying to bring more awareness to these things and like share the history behind them. And yeah, if you've got a really strong relationship.

with that, share that with other people. think that's really, really important. And I agree with you. Like there is obviously, I didn't grow up religious at all. And I didn't really understand religion, if I'm honest, when I was a child. But as I've got older, and I've also delved into the spiritual world and understand it on a much deeper level, I realized that religion is actually just having hope and believing in something, right? And I think that spirituality gives you that as well. Like it doesn't really matter.

what God you believe in or like you believe in the universe or spirit guides or whatever, doesn't really matter what it is as long as that resonates with you and it gives you some kind of reassurance in the moments that you need that reassurance or it gives you something to live your life by. I think that's the that's the purpose of spirituality or purpose of religion. So I think it's I think it's actually really important if you

if you didn't grow up religious to find something doesn't doesn't matter what it is, it's just just find something that that helps you guide your life because it really does allow you to have that like extra layer of hope and help you feel like more in trust and like you're protected by something and there's greater purpose out there for you. So so I love that. In what way I really resonate with what you said as well, by the way, actually, where you're talking about like when you're a child, you had all of these weird interests. So did I. I was obsessed with psychic.

documentaries and anything that was like any like series about gypsies, any series about like fortune tellers, any one that was a little bit mystical, magical, was like obsessed with that. And now later, later in life, like I've come back around into that I read tarot cards, like, I love things like that. I wouldn't consider myself like a psychic, but I definitely have like, a very, very heightened intuition and I read energy. So it's like,

Kai-Lee Worsley (19:16)
Thank you.

Sophie (19:31)
all comes back around, I feel like so many things that we experience in our childhood for sure come back in our adult lives. So how are you now using your personal spiritual gifts and relationship with ancient wisdom and the spiritual world in your life and business today?

Kai-Lee Worsley (19:49)
I literally live and breathe everything I teach. Everything that I'm sharing, I do. every day. Obviously, there are way too many tools to use every single day. But for example, if I meditate every day, so this is one thing I do every day, I meditate, I have an altar in my room, it doesn't have anything crazy, just some sage and a statue of the divine feminine.

and like a heart-shaped marble stone. So it's not anything crazy. It's not very elaborate. There's no like golden engravings, but it's somewhere I go every day to sit and just be with myself, be present. And I really believe that like once you teach people how to listen to themselves over all the noise and that these tools are at the end of the day. And I learned this through like every day applying different tools to my life. Like

Yoga for example, I also do yoga every day, but I learned that that at the end of the day It's just like learning who you are in your own voice and like stripping those layers away. So I would say Every day I use ancient wisdom because I'm always listening to my inner voice and my inner voice is ancient you know what I mean, like I Feel like I'm probably like 5,000 years old or maybe older like I'm an old soul

and I listen to what it has to tell me and that's me following ancient wisdom in a nutshell. I just really like my hope for the world is that even if they don't learn from me, they learn how to get there because it's so helpful to know yourself in a world that's trying its hardest to rip you apart and mold you into what they want you to be.

I don't know if that answers the question. know there was a first half, but then I like completely forgot the second half of the question.

Sophie (21:31)
I'll Bye.

No, no, don't worry, you definitely did. think, yeah, I think it doesn't, again, like I go back to saying, it doesn't necessarily matter what the modality is. I think there's something for everybody. And knowing yourself better is, is, is the is basically the starting point of so many different things, journeys that you could go on with self development, but until you have the level of self awareness, which you can usually only gain from.

trying some of these modalities, whether that be journaling, breath work, meditation, whatever works for you, whatever resonates for you, because it's going to resonate for different people. think of it like almost like some of these modalities you're talking to, the ancient wisdom tools, it's just a toolbox. It's just a toolbox of things that people can dip into and see which one resonates best with them. And if one does resonate best with them, then they should run with that because that's going to be their superpower. That is going to be the thing that helps them.

take their life to the next level. And I've got so many examples of that in my own life. I would definitely say the meditation, yoga, I do also like breath work. All of those have been like a really impactful thing, particularly for me over the past four years, I would say. And I think when you go into entrepreneurship, you also go on a self-development and almost like a spiritual growth journey, regardless of whether you want to or not, honestly. And I actually think the businesses, the entrepreneurs that don't necessarily

Kai-Lee Worsley (22:47)
For sure. Yeah.

Yes, that's right. ⁓

Sophie (22:56)
make it or like they go back to their job are probably the ones that resist that journey, the ones that resist the self-development because it is really difficult and I think yeah like I've needed that toolbox, I've needed those things and I've needed to go on this spiritual development and growth journey for me to be a better entrepreneur, to be a better business owner, to be a better leader and to be able to get to the point where I'm at today which is like sharing my story to help inspire others.

Kai-Lee Worsley (23:01)
Okay.

Sophie (23:22)
So I think, yeah, I love that you're sharing that message and I really like how you're kind of blending it with the Digital Nomad lifestyle because I agree with you. think Digital Nomads in a way are like paving a new road, right? Like this road hasn't, like don't get me wrong, there's always been travelers, there's always been people doing different things and outside the box things, but working remotely from somewhere that's not your home country is kind of a new thing.

Kai-Lee Worsley (23:39)
course.

Sophie (23:52)
And I think like a lot quite often in a lot of digital nomad hubs throughout the world, you will see a blend of spiritual development and digital nomad worlds come together. It's definitely true for where I live right now in Kaipeng Yang. I'm pretty sure it's true for you in Greece. I'm pretty sure it's true for the people in Bali, for example. So it's an interesting blend. So how have you found that that works together with all of the work that you're doing?

Kai-Lee Worsley (24:18)
Now I'm mainly focusing on just building the academy. It's beta launching, so taking people's feedback. I hosted my first retreat. I like seeing how people react when they have that moment of clarity. And I really do think, like you said, entrepreneurship is probably the most intense.

spiritual path you can take because at every corner, like every day you're facing a new challenge within yourself. Like you're like, my God, I'm completely responsible for everything. And, and then you realize, the only thing limiting me is my own belief system. that came up. That's a part of a limiting belief from this person who said this to me when I was this age. Like you are constantly like slaying your

demons for lack of a better word. I don't want to say dragons because I really like dragons. So I don't say slay the dragon because I really like them. So I'll say slay the demons and and it's such a important path. And also what I've learned from people coming to my roof, people coming to my retreats and people even beta testing in the school. I've learned that they also deal with things.

you leave your home and so you're you're like going through this new like Vortex of culture and ideas and language and you're really trying to figure out who you are and I think also a lot of digital nomads especially have come from a home that either they saw adventure like they were really adventurous or it was a really unstable place and they needed to get out of it or

something like along these lines because I also have a belief that the digital nomads and remote workers have a different type of nervous system. Like they can just handle a different type. So it's different. Like if I went to my hometown and I was there and I built a social media business, I was stressed out because I'm a business owner and I was a little stressed, but it it does not compare anything to moving abroad across the world and having a business here. It doesn't compare. It's completely incomparable.

they require two different versions of a nervous system. They require two different versions of like an uphill battle. And I know I'm not the only one, because I've spoken with other remote workers and they have the same thing. So I'm like, perfect. I will just keep building the space for them to come, gain tools. And my hope, like, of course I love money, but my hope is that they learn so well that they no longer like require my assistance.

Do you know what I mean? Like I want to set them up for greatness so that they come into the school, they learn, they stay for a year or two. They can always come back. They take a couple courses, they come to a couple of retreats, and then they like just stay in touch with me and they live their best lives. Like that's really my hope for my students and the people in my community now. And now that I've like seen remote workers and I've spoken mostly, they have like the same

ideas they really have like a spiritual path ahead of them it's so interesting so this is how i'm trying to incorporate it like to help them go on this path because i've walked it already do you know what i mean

Sophie (27:18)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, I've been a nomadic now for four years and I've explored most of the big nomad hubs throughout the world. So I think I fully agree with you. think I think I don't there's always this thing, right? Of like people saying, oh, you're a nomad, what are you away from? Why don't you want to open your hometown? Well, actually, no, I don't think you're running away from anything. I think you're in search of something that you know is out there that's even greater than what you had.

Kai-Lee Worsley (27:43)
out of

Sophie (27:46)
and you know that there's a big old world out there that could, and places and people and things and cultures and careers that could serve you better as a person. And I think that definitely, I don't know about if we've got a different nervous system or not, that's not something I'm qualified to say, but like, I think we definitely have a lot more curiosity, a lot more resilience, probably a lot more courage than the person that is...

Kai-Lee Worsley (28:08)
For sure. Yeah.

Sophie (28:13)
living in the society's expectations, living in societal norms. mean, a of nomads have already tried that lifestyle, but then they've realized it's not for them and they've broken free from that. And that's the point of difference, I would say, is that they've made an active choice to change something. And for that to happen, you must have to, you have to have a lot of resilience and a lot of, I don't know, a way to, to stabilize your nervous system. Because I always say like nomad life and remote working is

You're constantly in survival mode, honestly, if you're moving around consistently, you're constantly having to reset up your whole life, find out where the Wi Fi is, find out where you're to live, make new friends, figure it all out. And like the person that's living in the same hometown that they grew up in already has that. They've had that their whole life. They are in their comfort bubble. So nomads really do have to put themselves out there. And I do think like part of that.

Kai-Lee Worsley (29:01)
exactly. Yeah.

Sophie (29:09)
is going on some form of spiritual journey. And that doesn't necessarily mean it goes to like the full depth of what we've spoken about today around like going going fully into like seeing spirits and things like that. Like it doesn't have to go that far. It could literally just be like, I've found some kind of modality. I like surfing. That's my version of meditation. OK, cool. Like that's probably the thing that you're working on yourself for. For me, it was like a meditation thing and like getting really into my limiting beliefs and figuring it

figuring out all of that stuff so that I could be a better person slash business owner. So I think they do definitely go hand in hand in some way. And there is, there is not by chance that most of the Nomad destinations in the world happen to be in very spiritual places, right? If you think Bali, Thailand, Columbia, Peru, like there are Nomad hubs all over the world and most of them are in spiritual towns, like is a fact.

Kai-Lee Worsley (29:36)
No.

for sure.

Sophie (30:06)
So, and I don't think that's by chance. think there's a reason for that. The people are drawn to that for whatever the reason is. And then it's up to that person on how far they take their spiritual journey, right? But it's great that they have places to come and explore just like what you've created, which is really cool.

Kai-Lee Worsley (30:15)
Exactly, I agree.

Yeah, thank you. Yes, it's a very interesting thing. And I don't shy away from if somebody wants to talk with me and they have a nine to five. There's no shame in having a nine to five. We obviously need people who work for power companies. We need people who work for airline companies. We need people to have these types of jobs. But if you feel the calling of being a remote worker and being a digital nomad, then you have to pick up the phone because

Maybe there's something out there and it's only last you three years as a digital nomad, but you learn so much that would have taken you 30. You learn it in three. And then you go back to having like a more stable job in your hometown. It doesn't matter as long as you like, you feel the call within you and you go do that. And I think the more people pick up the phone on their calling, like the happier people will be and the bigger and like happier their energy will be. And that'll just keep expanding to others around them.

Sophie (31:18)
Yeah, I fully, fully agree on that. Yeah, absolutely. And obviously, when you do leave your hometown and you go away and you do the nomad stint, whether that's a year, six months, three years, I would say, normally, I meet people, the cutoff is three years. You're fully nomadic for three years. And then usually, if you've been bumping around place to place the past three years, you're pretty tired.

Kai-Lee Worsley (31:18)
by thinking of it anyway.

Sophie (31:45)
And then usually someone then becomes an expat and they stay in one place or a slow mad and they stay for longer periods of time in place. That's been the theme, the common theme that I've seen throughout my personal Nomad journey. But one thing that also is a common theme is the fact that everywhere you go when you're Nomadic, because everybody that's Nomadic has made a choice to be Nomadic, right? They've all made a choice to be a remote worker. They've all made a choice to leave their hometown, which means automatically you have one thing in common with each other. So you are much more likely to find your people.

when you go out into the world and you've already made those choices, it has that other person. So obviously through the academy, you'll create in a community which makes it even easier for people to find their people. So they're probably into spirituality, they're probably into ancient wisdom and they're probably a remote worker. So automatically you've set up a place for them to come and find their community. So talk us through that part.

Kai-Lee Worsley (32:31)
is that

They're a group.

Yeah, that's, you know, you nailed it. It's pretty much basically that. Like I wanted somewhere where people like me could go and be with other people because like I said, community was a big thing for me when I moved to Grace because even in my hometown where I grew up, like I know the streets, I know the people, I went to school there, like I know the city, I felt so alone and it was so weird for me to feel alone in my hometown. That's my home.

And I felt so isolated and I felt like I didn't belong there and they don't have the same thoughts as me. they, it just wasn't the same for me. I was like, I have to go. And so community is a huge thing for me. And so people who feel like me, who want to grow with others and who want to talk about ancient wisdom or like just these topics that are a little bit still taboo to like some more traditional mentalities.

They have a place to go. They have a community. I've built a community channel for them to speak with if they're students. I'm actually rolling out a daily WhatsApp group in September where it'll be free where nomads can come to and have like daily conversations. I'll send them like daily quotes, daily videos, like daily affirmation, daily journal prompts, something that just keeps them close to that core of ancient wisdom, who they are.

and know that there are other people like them around the world who are doing the same thing. And I think when you know other people are pushing forward on the same ideology as you are, it makes it easy for you to say, okay, this may be challenging right now, but I know that I'm not the only one and I can call on my community. I can send a message, hey guys, I'm going through this right now.

Does anybody have any advice? Does anybody have any like links to more things? And this is what I want for my students and the people in my community is to feel like they're not alone in this journey, because it's a hard journey. It's a really challenging journey to leave everything you know, to go be the... We're like the first pioneers, realistically. Like we're the first ones. Unless I'm missing something from Atlantis, like perhaps it happened.

Sophie (34:37)
Mm.

you

Kai-Lee Worsley (34:42)
Back then, you know, but like we're the first ones to go out and say, no, we don't want to work nine to five. We want to travel and work and we go and we do it. We're the first ones. And so the path is not laid out for us. We're actually like moving through a jungle, if anything, like we're making the path and we're slicing the trees and we're cutting the grass so others can find us. And there's not a community where, where we can ground in something bigger than us that connects us all, spirit.

Sophie (34:59)
Yeah.

Kai-Lee Worsley (35:10)
and then also like speak about our physical challenges in this realm. And so I think that was my hope with building this was that everyone could like hit every point, their pain points and be in community.

Sophie (35:26)
Yeah, no, I agree. think it's so, so important to find your tribe of people and that support system and something that came to me recently, I was doing a meditation retreat here in Copenhagen and something that came to me was the shared experiences and sharing wins, failures, everything is so much better.

than doing it all by yourself. So like finding people that can go through those things or have already been through those things and can support you through those things is super, super, super, super powerful. And I think that it's really important, particularly if you're in this nomad world, it can get lonely, it can be challenging. And if you have that community element, it can just be so much easier. So well done you for creating that. And if anybody wants to...

Check it out and find you how can they connect with you.

Kai-Lee Worsley (36:15)
Yeah, the best thing to do right now is to follow on Instagram. So the handle is at True Alchemy Academy. The school will launch, I think, officially in September. So keep an eye out for the online academy and the website is [truealchemyacademy.com](http://truealchemyacademy.com/). And those are the two ways that I think people will easily find what I'm doing. However, I think the Instagram will have better updates because I'm still working out the platform. still beta launching, but

There will always be a place where you can find me. And my personal Instagram, if anyone wants to know is at kworsley underscore.

Sophie (36:46)
I'm Mays.

Amazing. Love it. Super, super good. Sounds really interesting. Everything you're working on and thanks for doing this work. It's super, super powerful. And before we go, I always like to ask, because freedom is such a big value for me, like what does freedom look like for you? And how can you inspire our listeners to live a more freedom focused life?

Kai-Lee Worsley (37:11)
This is a really interesting question because freedom is really complex and I think people take it differently. Everyone sees freedom differently.

Sophie (37:20)
for sure.

Kai-Lee Worsley (37:21)
Freedom for me, I wanna paint an image in people's minds is I always felt the most free when it was raining and I would take my dog and we would go running through the grass and we would just like laugh. He would not laugh obviously, but I would laugh and my chest would be open. And I would just be like laughing in the rain and dancing outside barefoot. That's freedom to me. Like that feeling when you are just laughing and giggling and playing.

is freedom to me and I think everyone can do it today. Like just giggle, just play. Just go outside and like pick up some dirt and like make a potion. You know, like there's so many ways to play. Go swim and like pretend you're a mermaid. We forget to play. I, yesterday at the beach, I realized that the energy of the earth is playful. It wants to be played with. And so I think the more we tap into that playful, child, innocent...

energy the more free we'll feel in our everyday adult lives.

Sophie (38:20)
Yeah, I think we forget about that right as adults. The term play is so much more frequently used in our childhood. It doesn't really come up so much in adulthood. And going back to what we talking about earlier around the fact that we both had things in our childhood that are so relevant in our adult life, it's really important to look back at what were you doing in your childhood that allowed you to play? Did you go rock climbing? Did you go to play mud pools in the beach? What were you doing?

Kai-Lee Worsley (38:29)
Thank

Sophie (38:48)
And obviously, it's probably going to be a very different variation of that right now. But what can you incorporate? Were you a dancer when you were a kid? Did you stop dancing when you were a teenager? Can you reincorporate some form of dance back now? Or did you love music? What did you enjoy? So I think it's definitely something that I'm really conscious about at the moment. And I definitely feel like I don't have enough. Even though I live on a paradise island, I have the things that I go and do that I enjoy. But I feel like I don't play enough.

Kai-Lee Worsley (39:15)
You

go to play.

Sophie (39:15)
And that's

something that I'm really trying to think about, like, what can I incorporate back in my life that allows me the space to do that?

Kai-Lee Worsley (39:18)
Yeah.

Yeah, don't think about it so much.

Sophie (39:26)
Yeah, you're right, just let it happen. True, true. They just do. They just go play.

Kai-Lee Worsley (39:27)
Yeah, kids never think. They just go play. They just literally like they

take a stick and they just play in the dirt that's playing. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be like you're trying to schedule playtime. Playtime is never scheduled.

Sophie (39:37)
Yeah.

True, you're so right. I love that. almost like my adult self is trying to control the playtime.

Kai-Lee Worsley (39:46)
Yeah, your adult self is like, put

it in the schedule of when you're going to play, but your child itself is like, I don't know what the schedule is.

Sophie (39:53)
Yes, I drew most time. Who cares?

Kai-Lee Worsley (39:55)
Yeah, you're like, I don't care.

What's an electricity bill? I don't know. So don't think too much. Just like go to the beach and just like pick up a rock and throw it in the water. You know, just play. Yeah, don't think about it too much.

Sophie (40:00)
Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, you're so right. Great advice.

I love that so much. Thank you so much for advice. I will take that and I'll be going off right off this to the Thank you so much for joining me today and sharing everything that you know about ancient wisdom, spirituality and building communities.