Feeling Like the Black Sheep? Ditch Societal Norms and Create Your Dream Life With Dalia Kemble

Ever felt like the black sheep of your family or community? Wondered what life would look like if you stopped following the rules and started following your truth instead?

In this episode, I sit down with life and mindset coach Dalia Kemble, who helps women turn their black sheep energy into something powerful - what she calls becoming a pink sheep. We talk all things freedom, mindset, authenticity, and what it really means to live a life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside.

• Why being the black sheep doesn’t make you rebellious - it makes you real
• How solo travel helped both of us transform our confidence and self-expression
• The truth about breaking societal norms and what it takes to live a life on your own terms
• The mental health side of personal growth and identity shifts
• Why you don’t need to hit rock bottom to start your transformation

If you’re craving freedom, navigating an identity shift, or just tired of doing what you “should” do, this episode will leave you feeling seen, understood, and inspired to step into the most powerful version of yourself to create your dream life.

Ready to step outside of societal norms, keeping you stuck? Listen now to start rewriting your own social path.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Mic Check
• 1:50 Introduction to Dahlia's Journey
• 2:49 The Concept of the Black Sheep
• 5:02 Cultural Influences on Identity
• 7:55 Questioning Societal Norms
• 11:00 Embracing the Unconventional Life
• 11:17 The Journey of Solo Travel
• 14:55 Embracing the Pink Sheep
• 18:35 The Power of Decision Making
• 20:53 Mindset and Entrepreneurship
• 24:14 The Role of Luck and Determination
• 27:20 Defining Freedom
• 30:32 Transformative Client Stories
• 34:03 Finding Alignment and Purpose
• 37:50 Taking Action Towards Change

Transcript

Sophie (00:00)
Have you ever felt like the black sheep of your own family, your culture, Dalia, even your own life path? Like you were born to break the rules, but spent years trying to fit into boxes that were never built for you, also known as societal norms. Well, today's guest gets it, and so do I. And not only has she walked that same path, she's now helping other people forge their own path as well. And I'm so excited to introduce you to Dalia who is a life and mindset coach who empowers fellow black sheep to step into their courage and start living a life they actually want to live. One that feels just as good on the inside

as it looks on the outside. Dahlia has a master's in psychology and organizational behavior and development. She blends deep academic insights with real life experience because her own story is one of defying expectations, breaking cultural norms and choosing truth over tradition. And when she's not coaching, you're probably gonna find her throwing punches in a Mai Tai class, meditating in an ice bath or deep into self-development books on a sun beach in Thailand, where she now calls home. That's where I met Dahlia and this is a-

great episode for every woman who's ever felt like she didn't belong. She felt like a black sheep and she's finally ready to stop hiding and start living. So let's dive into this episode.

Sophie (01:06)
So welcome Dahlia. We are here in Thailand in my house and I'm super excited to have you. Thank you. I'm super excited with this as well. I love doing this in person, but it is weird.

I was just like sat on my sofa. So tell me a little bit more about you, tell me about your journey and why you've kind of got to where you are today.

I essentially help the black sheep to really have the courage to live without regrets because I actually, what I essentially do is help the black sheep to evolve into what I call the pink sheep because I really think that all of us have that unique voice inside of us, the path that we're supposed to take. And I actually think that a lot of people go according to a path or choose a path that they think they should be doing and they don't stop and ask themselves, what is it that I actually truly want from life? So one of the things that I'm really passionate about is really helping people to uncover

clear on what they truly want and to have the courage to go after that and to because I really do believe that when you do go after that you have that unique light and so your gifts to share with the world and you get to benefit and everyone else gets to benefit from that as well. completely agree, couldn't agree more. It basically took words out of my mouth.

Tell me a little bit about how you've gone from being the black sheep and then overcome into being the pink sheep. Yeah, so honestly, for transparency, I still sometimes like inside, I'm just like, when I even think about like just staying in the black sheep, because I think there's even just like when family are hearing it and other people are hearing it, I think there's often a very negative connotation around it. And I actually see it as one of

my mission to the region to change how people are seeing the black sheep because I don't think it's something negative. don't think it's about being a rebel, being selfish, being the outcast or anything else. I think it's having the courage to, I guess, live a little unconventional path and an unconventional life. And for me personally, I think I've always been very curious. So I question a lot and I think that's what's helped me to really evolve and to own who I am and to get to where I want to get to. But it definitely came with lot of challenges and being okay with being misunderstood and not

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being agreed with or supported or liked and all of those things. And there's still obviously where to work for that today. But I think where I am right now compared to where I started, it's really just from getting curious and questioning everything. I can resonate with that. I was the child that my mum was like, why are you always asking why? I literally always wanted to know why. There had to be a reason for something and I would question literally everything so I can completely understand that. When you say the word black sheep,

So what is your definition of the black sheep? So I think I've come to what I've come to understand is that it's a great question and I think it's always evolving to be honest but I think if you hear the word black sheep and you resonate you it's like one of those things that you just know if you know you know sort of thing and the way I see it it's I think it's when people have the courage to not conform to what everyone else is doing and to question things because I think there is society

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norms, cultural norms, a path that the majority of people do go down. And then there's the people who kind of like are on the outskirts of that and they're like, they start to question, is this really for me? Is there more to life? Is this what I want to do? And when you go down an unconventional route and you start to go down that path, I think that is very much connected to the value of things. Definitely. And in your world, in your life, I know you were born in the UK and then you moved to Israel when you were...

teenage years. did you feel like obviously two very different cultures first of all. So did you feel like when you were in your early years in the UK, did you feel like you were the black sheep or did you feel like it more when you kind of moved into that second phase of your life in Israel? It's a great question and honestly I don't think either which is so interesting. I think it came later in life. I was like the classic doing what you're supposed to do. Like I always followed the typical path and I don't regret any of it.

was actually when I started traveling after my degrees after everything that I started like seeing different cultures seeing the different ways that people are living and then I started questioning everything I think my mom did say to me at some point she's like you're like a teenager like a teenager that like reveled like a few years too like what's going on yeah so yeah like I think I started to question afterwards it could be that deep inside there was it was always there that that knowing that there was that there was more and it wasn't always that way but I think it probably actually I tapped into that more post-break pulse

post-travelling and that kind of thing when I was probably late 20s around that stage. Interesting. How about in your career? Did that follow a conventional route? Let's talk for a little bit about that. Yes. studied for five years. I studied psychology for three years and then I went on to do monsters for another two years. Then after that, the plan was to go into a corporate company and work up the ladder and continue to tick off the boxes and doing all of the things. Then I took four months out and I

I'd done like a past post-master's trip for four months and I was supposed to go back and I never went back and here I am today. That was what six, seven years ago at this point. So yeah, honestly, at that point I actually went to, I started I think in Australia and New Zealand, can't remember which one. And then I had a few months left towards the end of the trip and it was always my dream to go to India. And I didn't go for like, I was always traveling a lot before that. was always like traveling, working, saving, traveling, being broke, coming back.

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of in that loop. So I ended up, I always wanted to go to India and I didn't go there for like a good three, four years of the time before that I traveling because everyone was just like, it's not safe, you can't go alone as a solo female traveler. And I believed it and I bought into it and I didn't question it. So I just didn't go. And then I got to the point at this specific trip that I was traveling and I had a couple of months and I was like, something was calling me to go to India. So I literally just said to myself, I was like, I'm gonna apply for a visa and if it gets approved, I'm going. And I did.

and everyone thought I was crazy and I still, I thought I was crazy to some extent. was like, my God, am I really doing this? But I knew deep down it was the right thing to do. And I think that trip got me questioning everything because I'm not saying things don't happen everywhere in the world and you don't need to have your wits about you and like you've got to not be naive. But at the same time, I started to question and one of the biggest things that I realized is that everyone who told me not to go or that it wasn't safe, it was because they genuinely cared, but they've never actually ever been there.

So then it started making me question like, whose opinions am I really listening to? And am I listening to the opinions of everyone who does genuinely care and wants the best or people who are actually going after the things I want and going after the life I truly desire as well. And I think everything started to really evolve from that place. And until today, I'm very mindful around like, whose opinions am I listening to? Yeah, I think you have to be because ultimately if someone hasn't experienced the thing that they're trying to give you advice on to do, how on earth are they coming from a place

of actually knowing the outcome. And second thing is, even when you do listen to someone's advice that has been through it, it's a biased opinion based on their own personal experience, which could have been negative or bad. Like, if you ask me about certain locations in the world, for example, I'm gonna be like, it crap, didn't like it. Then there's gonna be other places where I'm like, it was amazing, best place I've ever been, but you might have a very different experience. I think that black, going back to what your description of that black sheep is, my perception of that would be like, the person that is

brave enough to go and live their own experiences and get their own opinions and thoughts on something rather than take everybody else's, absorb everybody else's thoughts and opinions because it is a really brave thing to go against the grain. If 90 % of the people are telling you to go right, for example, and you're like, I'm gonna go left, it's actually, you're venturing on a path of the unknown and that can be really terrifying.

a lot of people. I personally have always been going left, honestly. Most of my life I've been going left and I think for a while...

tried to go right, never, even when I was at school, I didn't, I had friends obviously, but like I always knew that they weren't really like my people and if you asked anyone from school, they'd probably say that I was very shy, but in hindsight, it's because I had nothing in common with these people because I was always gonna go left and they were always gonna go right and don't get me wrong, there's a few people that I could maybe resonate with in some way, but actually all of my

closest friendships have been the people that are rebelling a little bit against the system or are the ones that are the path unknown and I think that's because we all have something in common in the sense that we've all taken that first step to move away from what society has told us is normal, have the baby, have the house, work the job for 20 years. To me, I was always like, that is boring. I do not want that for myself.

There's been a few instances over the past few years where I've found myself in situations back in like the conventional life. I go home for a few months for example. I went home last year and I found myself in a few situations and I was like I don't want this for myself. Like I'm so happy I've chosen this route to go and do the things that I have done and I think well done for like stepping against the grain and what everybody else has told you to do because that lifestyle isn't for everybody and I think it needs more people like you.

me to speak up and be like well actually it's okay to go against what everybody else is saying to do and it doesn't have to be scary it doesn't have to be hard you can make it whatever you want to be but a lot of people won't will never go and experience those things even if they might have like an underlying knowing.

Sophie (10:33)
Okay, so when was the first time that you kind of stepped outside of society and did something in the world of being a black sheep? It's so funny because I don't even see it as a black sheep thing now, but I think the first time I probably went solo travelling, which for me is just like such a normal thing to do right now, but then sometimes I speak to people who are on a very different path and they're like, you're so brave, like you have the courage to do that. And I still remember at the time, like the first time I ever solo travelled,

It was actually after a break up and I was like, need to get, just had this thing that I needed to get away. I wanted to travel. There wasn't anyone else that wanted to go and I was like, I'm not hanging around. Like I'm doing my thing. I'm going traveling. And it was only three weeks and I went to Thailand and it was by myself and I still remember sitting on the plane and it took off and I was like, what the fuck are we doing? And it was funny because I caught the travel bug very quickly. How if you like to travel, you know.

and it was actually here and now 10 years later I'm living on the island where I caught the travel bag. I love that, I resonate with that deeply. I started travelling when I was 21 and never really stopped. So I think once you start you don't stop. Same for me, obviously when you first go on a solo travel trip as a woman, you're terrified of that but I really do believe if you can travel on your own, you can do fucking anything, honestly. You can do anything because...

There's a lot of logistics that go into traveling on your own. There's a lot of mental things that go into traveling on own, emotional things. And where was that first trip? That first trip was to Thailand. The first trip was to Thailand and I booked everything to a T, literally all internal flights, all hotels, all everything.

And that was the first and last time I ever done that. Like, if you're traveling for the first time, don't do that. You might do, but you'll learn quickly. not, it's never gonna work. You want more flexible plans. Yeah. And also you just never, like, especially when you're solo, you never know who you're going to meet along the way. It's so funny because people, I think one of the biggest questions that people always ask me were like, do you not get lonely? And I'm like, honestly, it's the best thing in the world because you're always, you're never alone unless you choose to, if you choose to be alone, you have the freedom and opportunity to do that. But you're always around people. And I actually think you put yourself out there so much more. And especially as someone who is

more introverted, think that was like one of the biggest things that I gained from traveling, to literally push myself outside my comfort zone and be okay with literally going out to people and talking to people and putting myself out there and eating. I used to hate eating alone in restaurants. It was like my pet hate and I never used to do it. I used to literally sometimes just get takeaways and stuff and sit in the room because I hated being outside and I was always like, what are people going to think of me? And I'm like sitting by myself and all of these things. And now I genuinely enjoy it. Like I go to cafes here all the time and just sit and I'm like, it's my time to...

and sit and chill. No, I feel you. I used to be terrified of eating and sitting on my own. used to be thinking, well, why are they all gonna think, everybody else in the coffee shop or the bread restaurant is gonna think that I have no friends because I'm just sat here by myself. But actually, I think it's one of the most empowering things that you can do is to sit in a restaurant, order food and be okay with your own company for an hour whilst you eat dinner. Like, think that that's something that everybody should try and go and do at least once in their life.

So at what point did you decide that you were going to use your personal experiences and then help guide other people to becoming the pink cheek? It was a mix of a few things to be honest. always knew, like I always knew I wanted to help people and I was very interested in going down like the psychology, like mindset side of things as well. That's what I always started and I was always just interested in that side of things. And it came from, it came from a few things. It came from the desire to...

know that there's something different and to help more other people out there just to know that if they are, if there's something inside them that's telling them that it's something different, they can go after that. And I think the more I started just literally helping out friends or people that I met along the way, was like, can really help, like I can make a big impact and literally help people to transform their lives. Like why am I not doing this? And for me, like I also always like after traveling and getting the travel bug, I think for a good maybe four or five people more years,

I was always in the loop of working in a job that I didn't overly love at the time, or sometimes it was fun jobs and just like things along the way. But would basically, I was in the loop of always just working, saving a ton, traveling, spending it all, coming back, being broke, staying at my parents. And I was like, I can't do this sleep anymore. Like I'm done. And then I still remember the first time I ever met a digital nomad, I was actually in New Zealand. And I just remember like, again, I was on this like travel, hop on, hop off bus and met these people. And I was like, well, how long you, how long you been traveling for? Just like a normal classic question.

And they, still remember they were like, we've been on the road for three years or four years. And I was like, tell me more, what do you do? And I think then everything started to open. And then I was like, I need to find a way where I can still have the freedom to travel if I want. And I can still work and still help people. And I was like, I've got to find a way to do it. And it's interesting because it took me still so long from that, from that understanding that there is that way to actually get to it. say, I think it took me like maybe even five, six years to actually get to the point where I was a digital nomad.

And the truth was I actually made the decision like back in 2021, I think, to buy a one-way ticket to Thailand and decide I'm a digital nomad before I had the job or anything or anything even proof that it was going to work. And I think there's a lot of power in making that decision that's going to happen because after I came here, everything started to work out. And then it was like, like I think when you make that decision and you decide that it's going to work and there's no other way. And I remember even back in the day, people always ask me what if it doesn't work? What's the plan B?

And I confidently said, isn't a plan, but it's going to work. And I was very much bought into that. I think something that being the black sheep or solo traveling or whatever it is teaches you a lot is that you've got to have trust and faith in the vision before the vision actually is physically in front of you as well. No, I completely agree. I think there's massive power in just making a decision and going for it. Sometimes you just have to jump off the cliff and hope that something catches you because...

Otherwise you just get stuck. You're just going to sit there and wonder what if, what if, what could be. Actually you're never going to know unless you try. So I think everybody, if they have some kind of desire or feeling that they want to change something, unless you actually make the change, you're never going to know if that is going to work for you. And you could do all of the risk prevention measures in the world, but it could still not turn out exactly the way that you thought it was going to turn out. And I think that there's beauty in that because

you learn from making all of those decisions and jumping into the unknowns and taking the risks and doing all of the things. And then through trial and error is how you're going to figure out what is going to work and what isn't going to work for you in the lifestyle that you want to achieve. But what was your vision when you booked that one-way ticket to Thailand? What had you hoped was going to materialise? I just started coaching at the time, so it was literally like coaching and making sure that it was going to work and I was going to be able to sustain that.

And actually, interestingly enough, like literally a couple of weeks after I got here, after I got to the island, I saw an ad on Facebook and it was to coach with a company and partner with them and work for them in the health and fitness field. And it was like on a much deeper level, like with a team and creating an impact with a lot more people. I actually went ahead and signed up for that and everything worked out from that place. And then things started to evolve from there. So yeah, everything always, everything works out sometimes in ways better than you can ever imagine. And I think

Something that I often work with with clients all the time is getting them to shift the mindset. Like our minds are so great, I go into the negative or what if it doesn't work and all the bad things that could happen and all the risks like you said. But I think sometimes when you just actually ask the question, but what if it works and what if this is the best thing ever and you allow your mind to go there and also just to go like something I've started doing in my life as well is to go, what is the cost of staying in the same place where I am right now? Like what is that going to cost me?

six months and five months in five years and 10 years and I've grown from that place and not even just cost like obviously literally to the point of financial but like mentally emotionally like how's that going to impact all areas of my life if I don't do that thing that your heart is like really calling you to do and I think when you're more scared of like staying stuck in the same place versus the potential risk of going after something I think that's when things start to shift when you really make that decision of like I'm going for this and I trust that things are going to work out.

Definitely, and I do believe that there is so much mindset work that goes into trusting the process, if you like. And it's not just about trusting. You obviously have to take the action and do all of the things. But mindset plays a big part in that. And actually, in all of the things that I do now, I won't start teaching somebody how to do, how to start on a business, for example, or mentoring through the process, until they put some work into uncovering the mindset blocks, because...

I know full well, you, particularly if you want to go into entrepreneurship, that you're getting so far until you've done that mindset work and then you are going to face hurdles and hurdles and if you haven't done the mindset work, you're to go 10 step backwards or completely quit altogether. So I think I saw that in your notes that you gave me, you mentioned that entrepreneurship is the personal development course that no one signed up for. talk me through that. Obviously you've been on your own entrepreneurial journey. You've been through your own mindset battles.

Tell me how you kind of overcame some of those. Okay, so there's a few things I would say. I think I've been through a lot and the truth is I still am because, and I'm always very transparent about that because I think from the outside entrepreneurship can look like the most amazing, free and thing and don't get me wrong, I think it's a very liberating journey and it's very fulfilling and there's a lot, so much growth like beyond I can even express right now. But there's also like when you're building something and when you're building something that doesn't yet exist and when you're doing something that most people aren't doing.

Um, there's you're literally confronted with all of your biggest fears, all of the beliefs that you didn't know that you have so much doubt, like so much you're, get excited about doing something and then you actually start doing it and you're like, I even do this? And like so many thoughts are coming up around that. think the biggest things that have helped me that I will buy a whole heartedly standby is mentorship and creation. Like I will not be without a coach if I'm building something. Cause just like I'm coaching people and I know I can help them. Like I need to create as well to get outside of my own head.

I think that's definitely been a big thing and also just being really intentional with who I'm surrounding myself with and by. And I think something I personally love to do is to surround myself with people who are further along on the journey and who are like-minded and going after big things as well because you get to learn so much from them. And I think it's so interesting because I think in society in general, there's often a lot of, I don't know if you can relate to it, but there's often like, especially around woman, there's a lot of jealousy around like, if you have this, it's kind of taken away from you in kind of scarcity mindset.

And I love being around people who are further along and who have things that I want to achieve because I'm like, get to learn from them. I get to be inspired by what's possible. So I think a lot can really shift when you are intentionally putting yourself in rooms, whether it's physically or virtually with the right people and mentorship and creation that just allows you to literally get outside of your own brain and take action and work on that mindset, like you said as well. Oh, you have to surround yourself with people that are further along in the journey. Or if you're not surrounding yourself with them, you have to...

have people that are going to expand you, whether from a distance or close to you, because if you can't see something to be possible for yourself, you're never gonna know that it could be. So I think you have to either surround yourself or start following people on social media that have already got what you want or find people, I don't know, friends of friends, whatever, that have the thing that you want already or a variation of it so that you can say, well actually it is possible because they did it. So that means that.

there's no reason why I can't do that as well. So I think it's actually, there's no need to be jealous of those things. It's actually looking at them for inspiration and figuring out how did they get that and working backwards from that so that you find inspiration for your journey as well. 100%. I totally agree with you, but I think there's also just from conversations that I've had in the past, I was thinking as a lot of people of like, you're so lucky or it's easy for you or I wish I had this or whatever. And I'm like, you can do it as well, but you've got to be in that mindset that...

you believe that if someone else has it, it is just proof that you can have it as well. And like, how am I learning from them? So I think that mindset shift is really important as well. Yeah, I think there's a lot of conversations around like the word luck and like privilege and things like that. And I always tell this story because I think that people could look at me and be like, oh, she's come from a white privileged background. She's lived lived close to London. had all of these opportunities. And I'm like,

Absolutely, I will hold my hand up and say I had all of these opportunities. I had people supporting me. I've never had any financial support given to me or anything like that, but I had opportunities that I took and have got me to be able to live nomadically and be an entrepreneur. Great. But I can also say that I've met people through this nomad journey. I met a girl from India who came from this tiny, tiny little village. She grew up with not a penny to her name. Her family didn't even send her to school, but there was apparently this...

from the conversation I had with her, this guy that came into her town and started educating all the kids and he was like a lawyer or something in finance, I can't remember exactly. But she was expanded by him. She had inspiration. She realized that there was a world possible for her outside of the norms that she had grown up around. And she did everything that she possibly could to get herself a scholarship at university in the US and make herself smart enough to qualify for this scholarship.

so that she could have a completely different life to the one that she potentially was gonna be destined for if she stayed in that town. And she did everything. And I met her as she was living in Bali. At that time, she'd had like three degrees or something crazy. Like I haven't even got one degree. She had like three degrees. She spoke perfect English. She had worked her way up in this like financial career. She then became Digital Nomad and started working like for different companies so she could work across the globe. And I'm like...

She came from absolutely nothing. Like that isn't just luck. That is like somebody really taking strategic action, working on their mindset, like doing all of the work to get them because they've seen a goal and a vision of what they want to be. So I really do believe personally, like anybody can achieve anything if they have the right attitude, the right mindset and they take the strategic action to get there. So.

I'm glad that you've kind of like validated my thoughts on that as well. I wholeheartedly agree with you. And I think it's easy from the outside to also just see the highlights and the overnight success of what people portray on the outside. And that's why I I always love to be open about it. And by the way, I think like really podcasts like this is so needed and so important. So you can like literally share different stories and listen to people and get inspired in it. And there's like, there's so much power to what you are consuming as well. But yeah, like I don't, I think I'm just going back to the,

The whole luck side of things, literally lost my train of thought. I was going to say something. The luck side of things. That's OK. thought something, but I guess it wasn't important. They're obviously an element of luck in some people's success stories, for sure, in the sense of maybe they knew somebody that could get them in, and they always say that it is sometimes about luck.

who you know, not necessarily what you know. So there can be elements of luck to entrepreneurial success stories, but actually, nine times out of 10, it is a case of that person is just so determined to get the thing they want. And I always say this, and I talk about this a lot in all the work that I do, you have to have a strong enough reason as to why you are going after that thing. For me, it is that I do not want to live in the UK. That is not my place. I know that I've traveled the world. I know that the UK is definitely not the right environment for me to live.

in the best way that I possibly live. So my why is to not have to go back and live there and be able to live wherever I want to live and be in the environments that I want to be in. Like I live on a freaking island. What more can I want? Like that's what I want for myself. I surround myself with black-minded people. So my why is that strong that I am so determined to not ever go backwards. So I'm always going to find a way to work through the mindset of folks to take the action.

And I really believe you have to have that strong enough why. And I think some people, don't know if this is the same people that come to you, but don't really understand like what their why is or like even what they want. So like when you work with a client that comes to you and thinks that they're like the black sheep, like, they want to, they want us to embrace the pink sheep. Like, how do you start with like working them through those mindset blocks and figuring out what they want to do? Literally the first thing, like you said, is getting that clarity on like, what is it you even want to do?

Because I think so many people know that there is more out there and there is possibility and sometimes they do know what they want, it's like then there's so much like doubt around actually going after it. So I think it's first getting clarity on what you want. And I've spoken about this a bit, but I think, I think we don't stop and ask myself like, what do you want out of life? You know, it's like when you're growing up and you're young, do, there's like, what do want to be when you grow older? And then like when you're beyond three or six or seven or 10 years old, it's like, how often do you stop and ask those questions again?

So yeah, and it's interesting because I think so many people when I ask them what it is they want, they don't know, but they are so clear on what they don't want or they're showing me, I don't want to feel that way. I don't want this. don't want that. So it's like, well, you actually are a lot clearer on what you do than you think and you're a lot closer than you think. You just need to get clear on what that looks like and what it's actually going to take to go after that. And then there's obviously going to be the mindset and all the beliefs and limiting and the blocks and everything that's going to get in the way that that's like essentially where the work is to believe it is possible for you.

even if it feels far away right now, like how are we breaking that down to really just start taking action in the next step. And I think a lot of people like I've experienced this in my own life as well, how it's really easy to get into the mindset of thinking like, if I wait to have clarity and then I'll take action and clarity comes from taking action, not the other way around. So I think I've definitely been held back in my own life a lot because I'm like, I'm not clear what I want to do. So I'm going to wait and get clear and then I'll take a step. And it's like, take the step first, even if you have no freaking idea what you're doing.

and you will gain clarity from doing that. For sure. The other thing that I have to see is that people wait until they are at rock bottom before they start making these changes. at what point do normally people come to you wanting to make a change? Is it after they've hit that rock bottom point and they can't continue in their current circumstances anymore? Or is it they've had the little niggles to say that they might want to do something different and they just need a bit more power to take the action? So it's interesting. It's a mix of both, but I think actually the recent clients that have started working with

have been in a place where from the outside everything looks great. It's like they've got the job, they've got the apartment, everything's looking good, but inside it's like they're feeling that something's missing and they know there's more and there's like a lack of, I would say, or self-expression or different things like that. And it's like, they know there's something and they're like, I'm ready to go. They're like, I know, like, I'm not willing to stay in this place anymore. Like I know there's more. I know it could look different. I know if like...

worked up the ladder and got all the things, but I'm just not happy. And I know that there is another way, like, and I can see that you're doing it. Can you help me? It's literally a lot of the conversations around that. yeah, I've had some, I've had some crazy stories, but yeah. I read that one of your clients became a licensed skydiver instructor, which is a very bold transformation talking through that one. 100%. I think when she started, when we started working together, she was in a, like a corporate job or an office job. can't remember exactly what.

But yeah, like it was literally we started getting clear on like, what do you want? And then when she started to open up and really like give herself the permission, I would say to tap into that vision, there was so many different crazy things that were coming out. And I was like, pick one, like what is the one thing that's really standing out to you? And she was afraid even a minute at the time, I think, because it was like, I want to skydive, but it was more like, I think it was more for fun at the time or something crazy that you're like, again, just going back to unconventional things. So I was like, okay, first step, like what needs to happen in order to make that happen?

And it was like started to do research, started to talk to people, started to connect and things started to evolve from there. And then I think she started to do the first jump and just realized that this is something that I absolutely love. And she ended up becoming a life-sense instructor. And I'm going after that. And I'm like, this is proof, like these things remind me why I do what I do. Cause the truth is on the everyday, there's always even entrepreneurs, and I'm very open about this. There's still like, it's still work. Like even though we're living on an island and it's amazing. And I was literally driving to you and I was like, this is life. Like I still don't get bored of this. And it's so cool.

But there still are days where it's like, it's still work and there's aspects in every job or every career that it's not gonna be fun. But these things like literally remind me like, this is why I do what I do like to literally help people to transform their lives and live a life that feels just as good, if not better on the inside as it looks on the outside. Because anyone can go and work their way up and do other things and tick off the boxes. But if you're not waking up with...

a sense of peace and calm and clarity and fulfillment. that's not, mean that you're going to be like that. And there's not going to be challenges along the way. But if you're, if you're, if you don't have the mental freedom and you just have the physical freedom of having the things from the outside, like what's all of that work? That's how I see it. For sure. I agree. And I always say there's like four types of freedom. You can have financial time, independence or happiness freedom.

And I think out of all of those, like the happiness freedom should really trump because you should be waking up every day and not being happy, obviously not being happy every single day, but like, let's say at least being fulfilled by content, by the circumstances that you're in, the relationships that you're holding, the work that you're doing. And if you're unhappy, I don't know if you've ever looked at the, is it the wheel of, can't, the wheel of life. And it's got all of the different.

factors like relationships, career, health, spirituality, education, I can't remember all of those things. And you're meant to rank each section of your life right out of 10. And I do this on a really regular basis because I'm like, where in my life do I need to focus my attention on? Because obviously we go through different seasons in our life and in different seasons we're gonna be paying attention to different areas or different aspects of that. But if you're looking at that real life and one of your aspects is a two, but then

something else is a seven or an eight, you're like, right, okay, probably that area of my life needs a little bit more attention. And that's how you can kind of identify a thing, what part is bringing you, bringing your energy down and happiness, waking up, feeling fulfilled and content in the things that you're doing is part of feeling free. And if that area of your business or area of your life is at the lower end of that spectrum, then.

make a change, do something about it to get it back up on the rankings because we can change any aspects of our lives at any moment in time and yes, everybody's are different, everybody has a different amount of ability to change their circumstances but we can all change our mindset, we can all try and make positive changes in our lives to make us feel more free if you like. I agree with you. And you mentioned that

Freedom is kind of about living in alignment with like your purpose, the things that you want to do. Do you feel like you've achieved freedom by kind of like stepping into this world or do you feel like there's work to be done to achieve like total freedom? I do and if I'm looking back, because I tried to, something that I really tried to do and I really help clients with as well is to look back at where you were and your own journey versus where you think you should be or where everyone else is. And I do, I do genuinely wake up and I'm like.

I am content with this life, I'm happy. And at the same time, I want more. And I think, and something I think is really important to acknowledge is that when you grow, your potential is naturally going to grow with you. And especially when you're a growth oriented person, it's not that you're gonna get to a certain place and then you're gonna be like, oh, I'm happy and fulfilled, now I'm done. It's like you're always, I'm always very growth oriented. So I'm always going after, I wouldn't even say the next thing, but like the next level, I would say. So I'm content and I feel free with where I am right now.

But I think I've also shifted personally my definition of freedom because I think so interesting when I started this journey, like the whole digital nomad journey, I think for me, the dream always before I had that was having the freedom of having the physical and the time and location to be able to work where I wanted and when I wanted. And that for me was like ultimate freedom. And the truth is when I got to that place, I had that, I was able to work from where I wanted literally and when I wanted, but I was definitely not mentally free.

And I would not wake up, I would like wake up with the fear of losing it all and just like not being, not having that mental calmness and clarity. And I got to the point of like, what is all this worth? Like I'm literally in living on the fricking amazing Island. And I just wasn't happy at the time. And I was like, I felt like something was missing. And I started to shift it and just get so hungry for going after the fact that freedom isn't about having anything more. It's not about having anything. It's about feeling more than actually having something. So I think when I started to shift that,

I was like, how am I intentionally bringing in freedom into everyday life? And even now it's like, today I woke up, was like, I'm going to the beach literally for 10, 15 minutes to go for a walk. Cause I was like, when I stand and sit on the beach, for me, that is like freedom. That's just like peace of mind where whatever else is going on, I can't think about anything else. Cause I'm literally just hearing the sound of the waves and connected. That for me is freedom. Like those moments in the day where it's just being present, being connected, being tapped in, really being in alignment. And I think that's why one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about helping people to go after that path.

Because when you are going after the path that you're meant to and not what everyone else is doing and what you think you should be doing, you are in alignment. And that in itself brings that feeling of freedom, which I think is priceless more than having what you think might bring you freedom, you know? No, I completely agree. Like you can't, they always say, oh, you're traveling to escape something. Let me tell you, you cannot escape your mind. are going to wake up feeling same regardless, even if you have a moment.

moment of bliss because you're in a new location yet maybe but wears off eventually and you do have to do the work to feel mentally free it's not just something that's gonna happen so I couldn't agree with you more than that sounds. So someone that is wanting to change something about their life and step into their true authenticity their version of freedom like what would your first bit of advice be to get that ball rolling?

I would say first of all, I would be mindful of before you even take the first big crazy step and you can always do that, there's always steps to take. But I would say first of all, be intentional of what you're consuming, what you're putting into your mind, who you're listening to, who you're speaking to. And it can literally start with as simple as looking over your social media and doing a little detox and removing people that are a little bit more toxic.

And it could be literally subscribing to podcasts like this and intentionally every single day listening to something that is going to fill your mind with positive things. And I think, yeah, just being intentional with what you're consuming, who you're listening to and intentionally surrounding yourself with more like-minded people who already have or are going after the things that you want. think it's so, so powerful to literally take you leaps so much quicker. And it's not like, I always say it's never about disconnecting from everyone already in your life that isn't going after that. It's about adding to your life and intentionally.

surrounding yourself with more people. So I would say like first step, I'm always like, who can you look up to? Who can you get inspired by? Who can you learn from? Start with that and doors will start to really open from that place. Yeah, I completely agree. It really is about like who, they say you're like the average of the five people you spend the most time with, right? So if you're not to say that you should cut, like you say, anybody out of your life, but if you're spending time with people that don't have the same ambitions as you, that don't have the same values as you.

it's going to be very hard for you to get to where you want to be. But if you can surround yourself primarily with those people that do feel more in alignment with you, you're almost being catapulted into the direction that you're wanting to go in. So I think that there's so much power in surrounding yourself with the right people. So that is brilliant advice. And yeah, tell us a little bit more about how you work with people and what your clients generally come to you with. So yeah, I'm doing more one-on-one at the moment.

which I'm definitely down the line in again holding the vision before it's the vision, which is interesting because I had a cool karamas with my coach yesterday. And further down the line, I definitely see the movement of the pink sheep society where people are really coming together because I wholeheartedly believe in the power of connection and community and who we're surrounding ourselves with. So that's something I'm in the process of building. And at the moment, I'm focusing more on what I want to really get to understand, you know, those challenges that we need to on a deeper level as well. So the

The things that people often come to me with is that they want to express themselves more. They want to share who they are with the They want to share their voice, but they're afraid what people are to think. They want to shift sometimes like big things in their life, like their career or things that they're actually doing. They want to travel and they're like, I'm freaking scared to do that. Like, how do I even get started with that? But I think a lot of it is more just tapped back into, again, to like the authenticity side of like, I want to express myself to the world and I want to share who I am. I want to share more of myself, whether it's on social media, whether it's...

in relationships and that impacts so many things so that's a big thing that a lot of people are coming up with at moment. Amazing, well anyone that does want to go through that transformation how can they find you and connect with you? So the best place is actually on my email because I'm connecting very openly there every week as well so I'll share that with you in the links and yeah that will definitely be a great place. Amazing, well thank you so much for joining me today it's been so good to have you. Thank

and surrounding ourselves with like-minded people. Yes, amen.